Thought the new ones might enjoy this. Six years were does the time go?
new boy
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SHUNNING- Oregonian Article-HUGE!
by messenger inhttp://oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/index.ssf?/xml/story.ssf/html_standard.xsl?/base/front_page/101671540232151251.xml.
shunning in spotlight .
wendy y. lawton .
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Sex and Relationships 20 Years From Now!
by new boy inthis is basicly a spin off of "flippers" sex thread in february.... the future of male/female relationships?....things are changing but we still have a long way to go!
the old paradigm is changing...... governments and religions have tried to control sex for 1,000s of years...and mostly they have done this by depowering women...they have put women in roles servitude to men.
look at the governments and religions of today....they are all male dominated.. its only been 50 years since we believed in the "donna reed" concept of women, as being "mans helper"....stay at home, make cakes and raise the kids.
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new boy
This is basicly a spin off of "Flippers" sex thread in February...
The future of male/female relationships?....Things are changing but we still have a long way to go!
How so?
The old paradigm is changing.....
Governments and religions have tried to control sex for 1,000s of years...and mostly they have done this by depowering women...They have put women in roles servitude to men. Look at the governments and religions of today....they are all MALE dominated.
Its only been 50 years since we believed in the "Donna Reed" concept of women, as being "mans helper"....stay at home, make cakes and raise the kids.
In many countries they are still treated like cattle....Hell...they can't even pray to God in the same room with a man in it! If they put a "head covering" on... it's O.K. They get paid less and basicly are not respected the same way a man is in todays world.
So where is it heading?
The day is coming when that will all be gone...Women of today don't need men has much as they used too. They are not buying into the same bull shit their mothers believed in.
In a few years men and women will be totaly equal...There will be less marriages because people won't NEED to have a piece of paper to make them stay together...they will stay together has long there is love and mutual respect...and when it's gone....they will move on.
Sex will be better then ever. With two equals enjoying the experience, without all the religious hangups. It's possible that people may even enjoy sex with more then one person at a time...If love & respect is involved anything is possible.....can you love more then one person at a time?
Your comments....were do you see the future of women and men?
NB
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How Did Your JW Wife or Husband Leave You?
by new boy ininspiried by other post and threads....and the love to type.. after going from being a self rightious pioneer and bethelite, to someone who had major doubts.my years drifted by me.
i had been a watchtower slave for over 50 years.
one day at a time, i sold my soul.
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Oompa...
Very expencive....Basicly I loss it all....I lost 25% of my Real Estate business (church related) and at the same time had to start paying her $2,300 a month alimony (not child support)....filed BK in 2003...Things are bettrer now. There are some things that are more important then money. Money is not a good reason to stay together.
SummieLee
I couldn't have said it better.
Bumble Bee
Your a beautiful person with a whole new wonderful world ahead of you...and you are are so worthy of it.
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How Did Your JW Wife or Husband Leave You?
by new boy ininspiried by other post and threads....and the love to type.. after going from being a self rightious pioneer and bethelite, to someone who had major doubts.my years drifted by me.
i had been a watchtower slave for over 50 years.
one day at a time, i sold my soul.
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new boy
Reniaa...Sure there was more to it then that....It was our whole life together that led up to that weekend. That week end was just the straw that broke her back. Did we "love" each other? Yes...but did we "really love" each other....I guess no, because our marriage wasn't based around the love we had for each other but around the church.
Looking back it was a loveless marriage, based around duty to church friends and family and last of all each other, (like mindless droids) there was no mutual respect. I couldn't respect her mindless thought system....She couldn't respect my crazy ideas...She liked me for being a rebel when we first meet but later hated it, when I wouldn't fit in with the rest of the cattle.
We were faithful the whole time, we were together out of duty. We knew there is only one way to end a marriage besides death and neither of us was about to do that. I found out how little passion there really was in our marriage after she left. I meet some else less just six weeks later, and felt real passion for the first time in my life. Has Forest Gump said "I'm not a smart man...but I know what love is!"
She had grounds less then 2 months after she left....Everyone believed I had someone on the side the whole time....it was not true. The "brothers" love to jump to conclusions don't they. They always give people the benefit of the doubt...
Gordy...."Ah the LOVE"
Chikkie.."Ah the LOVE"
Just Human....Family members turning each other in....It sounds so much like Nazis Germany. "We must safe guard the fatherland at all cost." God and country over family everythime.
NB
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How Did Your JW Wife or Husband Leave You?
by new boy ininspiried by other post and threads....and the love to type.. after going from being a self rightious pioneer and bethelite, to someone who had major doubts.my years drifted by me.
i had been a watchtower slave for over 50 years.
one day at a time, i sold my soul.
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new boy
Peggy.....Sweet Heart ours are just one of 1,000s of like stories. Stay busy and think of your kids...something good will be on its way to you my friend.
Still in 74....People must do what they think is best so go with your feelings. It will never be a "win win situation" Just don't lose your soul in the compromise....
Galileo...my friend you inspired thread.
Keith Casarona
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It looks like I will become an elder this week!
by outofthebox inthat's right guys.
as i told you before, they boe have been considering me for the eldership.
which i don't care for, but since my family is stuck in this cult, i guess i can use the new position to help them see that the holy spirit has nothing to do with me being an elder.
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new boy
Attack from with in....I like it ....just becareful you don't lose your soul though!
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Why exactly do you come to this board?
by R.Crusoe ini wondered if anyone, after starting to post here after so long being worried about doing, now just does it because they acn and hasn't stopped to ask why the still feel the need or even pleasure.. so why do you come here?.
do you know?.
it's not easy to completely explain what it is substiruting for imo!.
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new boy
Well I spent over 40 years trying to get people into "The Borg"....shouldn't I spend a little time trying to get them out?
By the way you can leave anytime you want...I do a lot...
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My Story part 1: Surviving My Youth and the Early Bethel Years
by Dogpatch inthe story of randall wattersmy story part 1: .
surviving my youth and the early bethel years.
randy at 15 with moe .
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Randy
Great read my friend....."Or this speech is shocking who can here it".......LOL
I here the cracks going up the Wathertower walls as you speck...
Keith Casarona
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I'm pretty sure there gonna let my husband become a MS the next time around
by cognac inthey keep talking about it with him.... this is just getting better and better... .
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new boy
Tell him, if he really loves you...he will skip a month of field service....no more MS problems...
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How Did Your JW Wife or Husband Leave You?
by new boy ininspiried by other post and threads....and the love to type.. after going from being a self rightious pioneer and bethelite, to someone who had major doubts.my years drifted by me.
i had been a watchtower slave for over 50 years.
one day at a time, i sold my soul.
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Inspiried by other post and threads....and the love to type.
After going from being a self rightious Pioneer and Bethelite, to someone who had major doubts.My years drifted by me. I had been a Watchtower slave for over 50 years. One day at a time, I sold my soul. So how could I leave after 50 years? A 27 year marriage, two kids, family and the only friends I ever knew....The answer is.... I could'nt, I didn't have the balls to.
I thought "O.K I don't believe it, but my life isn't so bad, good marriage, great job, great kids and friends." How could I lose all of them and go on?.....Give up all that, just for the sake of "being right."
So, I tried living the lie...and it worked for many years. But the bullshit got worse...The politics and clicks the hypocrisy and favoritism, in the Kingdom Hall.....The biggest thing being the major "lack of love"..... And Hay isn't that supposed to be their identifying mark? Well guess what...it wasn't there..and it wasn't at Bethel either! (read by Bethel experiences)
My wife bless her heart, knew for years I wasn't buying the program. I tried talking to her....but you know how it is...she would get this glazed look in her eyes and start reciting the "but were else can we go, this must be God's organization" bullshit. She looked like a deer in head lights, the poor thing was raised in the insanity just like me....The difference is she stopped thinking years ago...With her...it was all knee jerk now.
So it all came down to "The Big Chill" on the last weekend of July 2001. We had about 25 Witnesses from all over the states, come to our home for the weekend. Grace Fraizer, Jim Pells, Kelly O'Brien, Doug Ava, Bob Nelson, Dan McGloffen....and all their wifes. Yes all of my really 'good' friends. Lots of good food and drink.
During one of our many conversations with the group. I mention that I felt "That the society was losing the young people in the organization.".....Well before the weekend was over, two people came up to my wife and asked her how could stand to be with someone like me!
Monday the 30th of July, I got back from taking the last of the people to the airport. I was sitting in the living room thinking how strange the whole weekend was. I got up and went into our bedroom she was the next room taking a bath. I started talking, she had the strangest look in her eyes, she was staring at the ceiling and saying nothing....she finally said "The friends want me to go camping with them" I said "Great go, I need to stay and work."
I got up and went back to the living room....and set there. A few minutes later, she came out to the living room, with a robe on and that same strange look. Neither of us said a word, she came over to me and kissed on my cheek. She turned and walked back in to the bedroom.......I KNEW AT THAT MOMENT THE MARRIAGE WAS OVER!......... don't ask me how I knew it....I just did.
Next morning I hooked up the "See Doo" to her car. She jumped in the car, the window was rolled down she put the car in drive and was heading out of the driveway. I said "Hay after 27 years don't you want to at least shake hands or something?" She stopped the car got out. We both held each other and cried....Nothing else was said, she got back in the car and drove away...she was gone...
Two days later she called be and said she would come back only when I got my additude straighten out about the church...
I said "I can't do it anymore."
With the possiblity of losing everything I ever loved.....I just couldn't do it anymore.
P.S. I did lose everything....but I got my two kids, they were treated so badly by their "friends" because I left....They left too, they said "This is bullshit Dad...we are out of here...and besides we only did it for you guys it was never real to us."
P.S.S. So was it worth it....my answer is YES!.....Don't waste another day....don't waste....50 years like me....one day at a time...saying to yourself "It really isn't all that bad."